We just have to go with what's there. B. PHRF assumes that a boat is equipped to race. J/105 Fleet 5 (Lake Michigan] Class Rules have defined OD chute as 89m^2 from the begining. the arguement of what so-and-so's boat should rate has gone on forever...we know that. Sailors and yacht clubs from Bridgeport, CT to Watch Hill, RI participate in ECSA events and activities. I nominate the Tartan T3000. Don't get me wrong I know it's PHRF, not PHRFect. Just because someone buys a PHRF killer does not make them a cheater. Thanks. (I think we've all agreed that they are piggish in light air with little jibs, right?). -6 now add the larger spin -6 for a rating 78. The eastern CT PHRF handicap for Marionette racing in a spinnaker class is 252. i find it interesting to see what boats are rated in different areas, and what boats may be misrated. Yes there is a C&C 34 that is very tough to beat here as well. ARTICLE IV - MANAGEMENT 4.1 The management of this organization is vested in the Council which shall decide all matters of policy and be responsible for implementing that policy. 01. $4,000. Seems like a great success to me. Appeal a rating that was changed in violation of LMPHRF's own operating procedure? Fractional Evelyn 26 flush deck, fixed keel, inboard. Passing Blame
Kevin, you should ask for a change in your rating. You’ll have access to discounted membership rates, and your organization will build credits to help sailing in your community. The book traces the development of cooking aboard in ancient and medieval times, through the development of seafaring traditions of storing and preparing food on the world’s seas and oceans. It's the YC's and not the PHRF org that decide if they will allow boats without lifelines, etc. Career highlights • Newport to Bermuda • Marblehead to Halifax • Ft. Lauderdale to Palm Beach • Key West Race Week • Block Island Race Week • Eastern Long Island Sound PHRF racing • 20 years on local PHRF committee, including 5 years as chief handicapper • Currently a board member of the Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association • Past Commodore of the Off … We used to race against those guys on my flush deck/daggerboard E26 Loose Goose... wasn't she a daggerboard boat too? None of these folks do anything to address the perceived problem, beyond bending the ear of anyone who is trapped next to them at the bar. PHRF ratings for ELIS. Is this (cabin, accommodations, etc) an unusual requirement as far as PHRF goes? 1941 Tank Test. It gets people sailing who wouldn't otherwise be on the water on a Wednesday night. I just can't get over Thistle's sailing in PHRF fleets at Lake Norman and Lake Lanier (at least, they used to). He worked on this boat right after he finished school. Wind speeds of 20-30 knots and beyond can be expected on frontal boundaries. It is the intent of PHRF handicapping that any well equipped, well maintained, and well sailed boat has a good chance of winning. In fact the both 1997 and 2002 J/105 Nort Americans sailed in Chicago used 89m^2 chutes for OD racing. Sorry to disappoint... but not calling it on THAT post! All ratings should vary for each boat according to wind conditions. Back when the Sonar was new, I heard about a sailor in Florida who sailed with a sleeping bag under the cockpit.... First the Chicago boats started out at 78 they were never at 90, These boats carried 155% jibs and larger spins somewhere during the early 90's they increased to 81. It's kind of like bitching about who's president when you didn't bother to vote. Irritating Strangers
favorite this post Sep 11 1983 Renken 18 Nothing can beat it if it's blowing. The rating of a boat on Long Island Sound may differ from the same design on the Chesapeake. Proven race winner, Block Island RW 2001, places in multiple Block Island Race Weeks, Newport, and Key West Race Weeks. Notebook Features: 110 blank lined interior pages Premium matte cover Perfect to pair with gel pen, ink or pencils 6" x 9" dimensions; lightweight and portable size for taking on the go Perfect for jotting down thoughts, taking notes, ... The insides are comfortable. With an active OD fleet these boats were showing up on Wed and outside OD with larger crews than their OD cert would allow. Having owned and raced 2 different J/105s over 8 years, it has been my experience that there are some whiner hacks who couldn't correct over a well sailed 105 if the rating was 60. Found insideThe Complete Day Skipper is a totally practical hands-on manual that covers the RYA Day Skipper syllabus in a way that reflects a skipper's growing experience at sea, beginning with yacht handling under power, moving on to boat husbandry ... What I would want to know is the difference (spread) of the relative rating of a boat compared to 'benchmark boats' (at least the older benchmarks that I used to know) like the Catalina 30 or the J-35, from place to place. Eastern Long Island Sailing Association ... the member clubs of GSBYRA coordinate a schedule that includes weekend Invitational racing in one-design classes and PHRF boats, Friday Junior class racing, Race Week, Junior Race Week, and GSBYRA Championships. So, how are these boats "cheaters"? SA (being an international superpower of knowledge) is a perfect place to post these regional 'inaccuracies'. This text and workbook describes and demonstrates the minimum skills necessary to assume command of the boat and covers minimum emergency procedures to learn and practice before an incident occurs. Don't forget the biggest one of them all - Dash 34. GP could shed light on the +3 as he was on the committee at the time. The lines inside my mast slap the inside of the mast in any moderate amount of wind (8-10kts?). All ratings will be based on either valid PHRF certificates or Eastern Long Island Sound rating book listings. Composing Haiku
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The areas are: Eastern Long Island Sound (Watch Hill, RI to Madison, CT), Western Long Island Sound (Guilford, CT and west and NY State other than Eastern LI), Eastern Long Island (ELIYA), Rhode Island (RI east of Watch Hill), All … Very few made in this configuration ECSA rated it 184. L. Francis Herreshoff created some great yacht designs. The asymmetrical spinnaker luff length shall be between 1.0 and 1.1 times the square root of "Ia" squared + "BS" squared. Intensity of competition and the influx of new and aggressive sailors require each skipper to maintain consistently high performance in order to place well. PHRF 153 in Charleston, sailed by good sailors but almost unbeatable in most conditions at that number. kite from the 77 sq.m. D Class D (Perf. PHRF ratings are made on the assumption that: 1. The spinnaker pole length is equal to "J\ ,"2. The spinnaker maximum width is 180% of "J\ ,"3. The spinnaker maximum length is .95 times the square root of "I" squared + "J" squared , October and November are among the best months for sailing in Long Island Sound. They're leading a potential … I just find that it easily outpoints all the boats we compete against with the huge ovelapping genoa flying. 2017 Eastern Connecticut SA. The data in the following table is taken from forms submitted by sail makers or owners as part of the sail tag royalty and registration program. PHRF/ELI is administered by a Handicap Council composed of local sailors that holds public meetings on a bi-monthly basis at the Shelter Island Yacht Club. However, only 9 have a LMPHRF certificate, and 4 of those with a LMPHRF certificate do not compete in OD events. With the board up going downwind, difficult to catch. Again there was never a 9 second based on the larger spin. The spinnaker maximum width is 180% of "J", These same whiners, due to local politics, have the ear of LMPHRF. My former J/105 hasn't had a LMPHRF certificate probably since 1999. Welcome to Shelter Island Etchells Fleet 15. The fleet includes a lively cast of high-performance one design sailors who compete on the local and national level. Many Lake Michigan J/105 owners, having seen LMPHRF hit their rating by 9 s/m have in fact said "FUCK YOU, we aren't going to play your stupid game". Sailing Association and U.S. Optimist Dinghy Association. the arguement of what so-and-so's boat should rate has gone on forever...we know that. We have a new fleet -- Fleet #24: Eastern Long Island Sound. Farr 40 Class. Dick Carter, the enfant terrible of ocean racing the in 1960s and 1970s suddenly disappeared from sailboat racing is 1975. PHRF ratings are expressed in seconds per mile to be deducted from elapsed time to produce corrected times. The YRS/LIS list has ratings for the Etchells, Soling, Sonar, and Star. Conditions on Friday, June 11 were 10-12 knots, up to 15+, choppy especially in and near the Race. I just find that it easily outpoints all the boats we compete against with the huge ovelapping genoa flying. In all fairness to the boat in question they have been racing together for years and they do a good job. They do rock and roll down wind. Hmmm, I have to weigh in on both of your posts. Mari Ann and I purchased her in 2012 and brought her to Connecticut. I agree that it's tough to beat. Long Island Sound Cruising. Buy a Melges 24, an X-332, a Hobbie 33, or a Serendipity 43. On LIS 105s are rated for 8-10 knots; I would guess in the windy city that might be a bit higher. I gotta belive the YRA/LIS rating of a Pearson Triton at 261 is a gift. Ensign Class. It ain't perfect, but it beats staying home and watching our football team get crushed again! $4,000. to compete. This is the fundamental concept. From Ryan Steck, THE REAL BOOK SPY: "Fast, masterfully-plotted, and rich with vibrant details-everything you want in a thriller . . . and I'll take all the Ben Porter I can get!" The same boat apparently came in second in the Hamilton Cup (Tri-State overall) with high fleet finishes on each of the three legs (hence the grousing about the rating - and the colliquoy between TM and GP?). This is the only focus of the organization - PHRF-NB does not sponsor sailing events, but works cooperatively with any number of organizations that do so in the areas covered by PHRF-NB. $40,000 (Eastern Long Island ) pic hide this posting restore restore this posting. PHRF-ELI Certificate. PHRF NoNo! PHRF had the boat at 168. we all know that the adjective 'cheater' usually describes what you worded as 'inaccuracy'. there is a guy in miami who only takes his out for fun regattas and cleans clock. Yare Sailing Club Norwich, UK. I had herd you could fly a 110 chute with-out penalty. The wind subsided Saturday afternoon to a more manageable 15-18 knots across the Long Island Sound allowing just enough time for three races. Fall racing, held in mid-September, occurs in eastern Long Island Sound and Gardiners Bay. PHRF-NB has also been at the forefront of some PHRF innovations, including, over the past several years, creating guides for race committees for handling sport boats, time-on-time scoring calculations, and non-spinnaker adjustments. Credits can be used to pay for nearly everything at US Sailing. kite. Not all PHRF handicap committes use the same range. Doyle J-105 Sails and related products from class expert Paul Beaudin, who can be found sailing his own J … Sailing the Northeast. PS- i have lots of "biggest PHRF whiners" in my area, but i don't feel that SA is a proper place to 'out' such individuals. Next is the Catalina 30 with a PHRF 198!!! You got to be kidding? Tank Notes on Star Boats, 1941. It is however a fixed keel day-racer. Edge of Disaster is the perfect boat for Block Island Race Week, Off Soundings, or any other competition. Certificates will be accepted by mail (PBSA, P.O. sucked worse than originally contemplated. They rate 168. 2. Nah, we just had a breakout race, with a little luck thrown in. The reason Pearson 30s keep such a favorable rating is because nobody that owns one can sail for shit. As far as the tidal surge goes it will be the maximum to the east. You can sail a Star in PHRF (We do sometimes in beercans). The Mariner's Book of Days is an annual treasure. As far as the Pearson 30- its a great rule boat with great sailors. All these things are available through the button menu above. Then we worked our asses off for a couple years and ended up with a B+. JSA_YearbookCover_16_F.indd 1. Ditto on the "points high". This site contains a wide range of information about PHRF-NB, and all the information a competitor will need to get their vessel rated, inform the rating committee of vessel modifications, or appeal their rating (or challenge someone else's). We could all start going to J22s, or 24s, or whatever, and soon there'd be 3 or 4 boats on the line instead of 20. Some (actually many) regatta SI's will state that they require the recommended minimum safety recommendations from PHRF be fulfilled to race in the regatta. GP is right about PHRF whacking the J/105 with a penalty. The penalty assessed was -9 seconds per mile when the class went to the 89 sq.m. That 90 LMPHRF J/105 sailed only the Tri-State (maybe two?) We're just posting boats that seem to have (and i know the word cheater was used) higher than expected ratings. This book provides a comprehensive, global synthesis of current knowledge on the potential and challenges associated with the multiple roles, use, management and marketing of non-timber forest products (NTFPs). They became provisional at that time, ( This is normal procedure whan a rating change is issued based on sailplan) After the 2002 season the J 105's were again reviewed and members of their fleet invited to attend the meeting. They all come back week after week. Never sailed in LIS but I have heard that the YRALIS is as political as it gets in favorable PHRF ratings from several people. PHRF ratings are expressed in seconds per mile to be deducted from elapsed time to produce corrected times. The higher rating indicates the slower boat. PHRF time allowances are not related to other systems. PHRF ratings are made on the assumption that: If a J 105 rates 105 on LIS and 81 on Lake Michigan, that would not be meaningful (in my mind) if the difference in rating between those J/105's on those bodies of water was the same relative to J-35's and Catalina 30's and other 'benchmark' boats. Not so good on the reaching legs or in higher wind, though. we all need to get over it, move on, and just go out and sail. he doesnt get to race his P30 that much because he races other peoples hot phrf racers.- I know this guy because I cock blocked him at a regatta once and almost got my head knocked off. Totally agree, raced a P-26 for 10+ years on Lake Ontario and in San Diego. Not according to the 2003 ratings I found on US Sailings web site. Star Boat Builder List 1911 - 1983. If you want a complete list of boat with Soft PHRF ratings please look up anything the Dennis Conner has purchased to race PHRF! If your sailing in 14+ most of the time she should be at 114. Matthew - I live on Long Island in Northport. This weekend we'll sail a Soverel 39 as the scratch boat in a fleet that ranges from us at 70 to a Catalina 22 at 270 with a few really good (for us hillbillies) Frers, S2s, and Beneteaus in between. Documents the illicit beginnings of the lucrative telephone monopoly, revealing how Bell's journals acknowledged his illegal copying of Elisha Gray's invention in order to secure what would become the nation's most valuable patent. She was the family boat, and one of the best little race ever. Huh?????? Are they changing their boats, and not reporting it? You went on to say that this guy was a fool for sailing under that sailplan and crew limit. W. 5. The ratio of asymmetrical spinnaker mid-girth width to foot length shall be not less than .80. PHRF time allowances are not related to other systems. She was built in Finland in 1985, imported into the United States and raced in a fleet in Seattle. It is considered an OD and can be sailed as such (e.g. of eastern Long Island Sound, from Bridgeport, Connecticut, to Watch Hill, Rhode Island. But rather than bitch about it here and waste the Ed's disk space, volunteer and change things. The boat has been owned by Bill Malloy since the late 80's and sailed all over Eastern Long island sound by the family and friends. I thought he meant class asym- with the abbreviation spelled wrong, but I could be wrong. How about the Beneteau First Class 8 Meter? The Shelter Island Heights Pharmacy at 19 Grand Avenue is walkable from the Club. PHRF ratings are not intended to reflect skipper and crew capability. 7. Welcome to Shelter Island Etchells Fleet 15. There's a boat in our fleet that has a gift rating and kicks butt in practically every race. PHRF-NB rates, on average, over 600 boats per year. 2022 North Jersey YRA. (GYA-PHRF) 138: 150: 144: A, B, C: Long Island Sound (YRALIS) 135: 138: 141: A, B, C: Lake Erie (PHRF-LE) 141: 146: 147: A, B, C: Lake Michigan (PHRF-LM) 138: 150: 144: A, B, C: Lake Ontario (PHRF-LO) 135: 153: 141: A, B, C: Middle Atlantic (PHRF-MA) 138: 138: 141: B, C, Same rating … SA (being an international superpower of knowledge) is a perfect place to post these regional 'inaccuracies'. Similarly, in PHRF 2 Class, Peter Becker's J/105 YOUNG AMERICAN finished in an elapsed time of 118 hrs 53 min to take both elapsed and handicap honors. I have a CS36 and they have our base at 129. Local PHRF committee has already shaved 12 seconds off. Make sure that you visit places like Mystic, Stonington, Fisher''s Island, Shelter Island, and Block Island. The Hull is cold molded and is tough as nails, she is quick in light air but really outperformed in her class when the winds went up into the 20s. At least out here, you'd be shot for racing a Star in PHRF. No one whines about ratings or anything else, and everyone has fun. In the eastern portion of Long Island Sound the current turns from ½ to 1½ hours earlier along the north shore than in the middle of the sound. Formally known as Menace and Diamond Noir, she has a substantial racing history in Long Island Sound. She was the family boat, and one of the best little race ever. That's a nice theory, but it's not that simple for those of us who live in the real world. current PHRF Certificate issued by PHRF of Eastern Long Island. They get smoked by the J29 boats boat for boat. We cruised our old boat with 2 kids, a wife and a dog. Leading is Bill Ingraham's J/124 TENEBRAE with two bullets. How do you get around the rule that says you can't hike out past the lifelines? Hear, hear. c'mon now right coast... of all people, you were one of the last i expected to make a rant like this. However, if the basic hull and rig differ from others in its class, it will, of course, be rated uniquely. A choice of asymmetrical, symmetrical, or both types of spinnaker shall be made at time of application or renewal and may be changed once during the sanctioned racing season.See Standard Sail and Equipment Specifications. The average wind is assumed to be 10-12 knots true wind, but most races will have winds in the 5-15 knot range. Chartering in the BVIs
Hard boat to sail fast but when you do, it goes. How could all of the 105's been flying the same sail area when the wind hit 15k. It is not healthy! Se bilder og all informasjon om Firefly, en Cruiser/Racer bygget i 2000 av Morris 45 og tilgjengelig for salg. LMPHRF dropped the 90 OD rating a couple of years ago when the class increased the size of their kites for the 'standard OD'.
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